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Originally Posted by w14
I am arguing that having never ending conferences and creating new financial bubbles, with no actual action is the wrong approach. I'm arguing that we can solve the problem, real or imagined (it doesn't matter), TODAY, and in doing so, also solve the most important, real, immediate problems we do face today, which are, I suggest, the financial collapse and 3rd world development.
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The majority of the worlds scientists have all agreed that human acvtivity is causing global warming to get worse. It is undeniable. Hence why this geological era is being termed the Anthropocene.
Facts are that they can even detect the amount of lead that was put into the atmosphere at the time of the Roman civilisation due to the use of lead in its foundries. They can even detect the increase and then reduction in lead in the atmosphere from when we started using leaded fuel to when we changed to unleaded. So suggesting that our actions are not having an effect is incorrect. In fact if you plot a graph of the temperature increase over the last 200 years against the increase in CO2 production for the same period, you see a a very similar curve. i.e. the increase in CO2 we have put into the atmosphere has had a quantifiable impact on the temperature of the planet. The planet certainly warms and cools, and has done so for millions of years, but suggesting that we shouldn't do anything about it because it's "Not our fault" is childish and tantamount to putting your head in the sand like an ostrich.
We are living in a world where there is more money in the banks than there has ever been. Where the financial collapse is something being felt by the poor and lower classes.
Where the richest economy in the world cannot afford to pay the medicare, pensions, social security of its population, but poorer countries can. Where is all the money that the banks have created? Is this not a further reflection of 1% of the worlds population have 80% of the wealth?
Where the leaders of America are more concerned in keeping the oil economy moving and subsidizing nuclear power, than trying to make money from building renewable power stations and running them with no fuel costs.
Where they are more concerned with trying to confuse the populace with lies about the effectiveness of renewable energy power stations and lies about nuclear power and the waste it produces.
The U.S. economy collapse has nothing to do with the environment. It is already fucked and not because of climate change but because of GWB's illegal war crimes. Continual use of the "We can't afford to stop making 6.0 litre cars", argument just goes to prove that the U.S. corporate community is more important to the politicians than the health and welfare of its citizens.
I agree that having never-ending conferences won't solve the problem, but the U.S. just wants to keep having these conferences and not make any commitments. Well everything changed on Sunday, the U.S. has been put in its place and the rest of the world IS doing something.