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It is undeniable.
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No, its not. A majority view does not make it true. Did Gallileo hold the majority view? There is plenty of science still to be done before the truth is known.
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So suggesting that our actions are not having an effect is incorrect.
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I'm certainly not suggesting that. There is a difference between pollution and climate change. I'm saying that there is no evidence for anthropomorphic climate change.
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In fact if you plot a graph of the temperature increase over the last 200 years against the increase in CO2 production for the same period, you see a a very similar curve.
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I think you need to do some more research.
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but suggesting that we shouldn't do anything about it because it's "Not our fault" is childish and tantamount to putting your head in the sand like an ostrich.
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No, it isn't. And I'm not suggesting that we should do nothing. I'm saying that we are doing the wrong things.
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We are living in a world where there is more money in the banks than there has ever been. Where the financial collapse is something being felt by the poor and lower classes.
Where the richest economy in the world cannot afford to pay the medicare, pensions, social security of its population, but poorer countries can. Where is all the money that the banks have created? Is this not a further reflection of 1% of the worlds population have 80% of the wealth?
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Absolutely. And I'm arguing that the climate change debate is being used as a political tool to make sure this remains the status quo.
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Where the leaders of America are more concerned in keeping the oil economy moving and subsidizing nuclear power, than trying to make money from building renewable power stations and running them with no fuel costs.
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Oil, yes. Nuclear, not sure where you got that impression. The US is doing nuclear all wrong. They refuse to reprocess, except for plutonium production. This is a policy decision so that they can maintain the anti-nuclear lobby with a nuclear waste is hard to deal with myth to push, and keep burning oil.
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Where they are more concerned with trying to confuse the populace with lies about the effectiveness of renewable energy power stations and lies about nuclear power and the waste it produces.
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Its not a lie. Work it out. How many windmills do you need to produce the 70GW the UK currently consumes? How many will be working at any given time (they're pretty unreliable)? What happens when the wind stops blowing?
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The U.S. economy collapse has nothing to do with the environment. It is already fucked and not because of climate change but because of GWB's illegal war crimes.
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No, its not a US economy problem. Its a global problem. The GLOBAL financial system blew up in the summer. We are now seeing the effects of that in the economy with half a trillion dollar injections of cash from the ECB in a classic failed gambler approach to the problem, and inflation beginning to run out of control. GWBs war crimes are a separate issue.
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I agree that having never-ending conferences won't solve the problem, but the U.S. just wants to keep having these conferences and not make any commitments. Well everything changed on Sunday, the U.S. has been put in its place and the rest of the world IS doing something.
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No, it isn't. The world has effectively agreed to an energy austerity plan. Contraction of resources. How is that going to help the planet?
At times like these, when stupid bankers fuck it up for the rest of us, we need to be building our way out of the problems, not calling for everyone to switch off.
Starting with basic infrastructure, and working from there ... power systems, water systems, etc. Roosevelt did this in the 1930s, Putin is doing it now. This strategy is a great way to kick start an economy back into life, and to hell with the old financial system and the bankers that created it.
The point I'm trying to get through to you, is that it is possible to solve the most critical problem you see for this planet, and the most critical problems I see for this planet, using the same approach. The fact that we disagree on this single issue is irrelevant.