More on the Lil' dictator

[potter]

Bush decided what congress will and will not see regarding his nasty little attempts to destroy America. Editing privacy reports. We have a man in the white house who demands complete power to do anything he wants regardless of the laws of our nation. with absolutely NO oversight. NO MAN should have that much power.

Let's face it folks, there is no war on terror. Sure, there is a war going on, but it is to secure oil resources. All else is nothing but an excuse to spy on and destroy political and media opponents. This is a classic comic book power grab, pure and simple.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15145197/

President asserts power to edit privacy reports

Bush defies Congress, says he has right to change Homeland Security bills

WASHINGTON - President Bush, again defying Congress, says he has the power to edit the Homeland Security Department’s reports about whether it obeys privacy rules while handling background checks, ID cards and watchlists.
In the law Bush signed Wednesday, Congress stated no one but the privacy officer could alter, delay or prohibit the mandatory annual report on Homeland Security department activities that affect privacy, including complaints.
But Bush, in a signing statement attached to the agency’s 2007 spending bill, said he will interpret that section “in a manner consistent with the President’s constitutional authority to supervise the unitary executive branch.”

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said it’s appropriate for the administration to know what reports go to Congress and to review them beforehand.
“There can be a discussion on whether to accept a change or a nuance,” she said. “It could be any number of things.”
The American Bar Association and members of Congress have said Bush uses signing statements excessively as a way to expand his power.
The Senate held hearings on the issue in June. At the time, 110 statements challenged about 750 statutes passed by Congress, according to numbers combined from the White House and the Senate committee. They include documents revising or disregarding parts of legislation to ban torture of detainees and to renew the Patriot Act.

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Privacy advocate Marc Rotenberg said Bush is trying to subvert lawmakers’ ability to accurately monitor activities of the executive branch of government.
“The Homeland Security Department has been setting up watch lists to determine who gets on planes, who gets government jobs, who gets employed,” said Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
He said the Homeland Security Department has the most significant impact on citizens’ privacy of any agency in the federal government.
New ID cards in the works
Homeland Security agencies check airline passengers’ names against terrorist watch lists and detain them if there’s a match. They make sure transportation workers’ backgrounds are investigated. They are working on several kinds of biometric ID cards that millions of people would have to carry.
The department’s privacy office has put the brakes on some initiatives, such as using insecure radio-frequency identification technology, or RFID, in travel documents. It also developed privacy policies after an uproar over the disclosure that airlines turned over their passengers’ personal information to the government.
The last privacy report was submitted in February 2005.
Bush’s signing statement Wednesday challenges several other provisions in the Homeland Security spending bill.
Bush, for example, said he’d disregard a requirement that the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency must have at least five years experience and “demonstrated ability in and knowledge of emergency management and homeland security.”
His rationale was that it “rules out a large portion of those persons best qualified by experience and knowledge to fill the office.”


Eliminating minimum job competency requirements opens the job up for the best qualified??? WTF!!!!!

[LiberalNation]

There is war on terror, they may be trying to secure some oil at the same time but all them islamic terrorist guys that hate and want to kill us are real. No oil in Afghanistan but we are fighting there.

[potter]

Originally Posted by LiberalNation

There is war on terror, they may be trying to secure some oil at the same time but all them islamic terrorist guys that hate and want to kill us are real. No oil in Afghanistan but we are fighting there.

I no longer believe that. If it were a legit war then oversight wouldn't be a problem would it? Adherance to our own laws wouldn't be a problem, would it? The fact that bush seeks unlimited power and absolute secrecy on everything he does, the fact that Bush is taking away the people's rights and protections against a totalitarian government tells me this isn't about terrorism, it's about politics and making America his own little playground.

People like you scare the hell out of me LN, because you don't care what happens to America. Evil dictaorship or liberty, it makes no difference to you.

[LiberalNation]

Oh it makes a difference; I just don't follow your paranoid beliefs system. Bush is not the great saten and will be out of office in 08. Maybe he wants secrecy because something like that needs to be secret to be effective and everyone is hyper critical of everything and that is also no way to get things done.

I do believe the Bush admin. is more secret than they need to be and they probably have alternative agendas in the works as well but they aren't much different then many other presidents in that respect. Now the very bad decisions in regards to everything and inept leadership is something that worries me more than crackpot Bush is a dictator theories but what can ya do. he's the president and that ain't gona change till the next election.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by LiberalNation

I believe the Bush admin. is more secret than they need to be and they probably have alternative agendas in the works as well but they aren't much different then many other presidents in that respect.

Excuse me all to hell kid, but if you are 16 as you claim, you ain't been around for all that many of them.

Take my word for it or not, this administration has taken secrecy, lying, and corruption, combined with general over all Evil, to a level I have never seen before, and that includes Tricky Dick and LBJ both of whom could lie with the best of them.

[LiberalNation]

Well I've only been following the news for three but I can look at history and it looks just as bad. You were all probably screaming the same things last president you didn't like.

[potter]

Originally Posted by LiberalNation

Well I've only been following the news for three but I can look at history and it looks just as bad. You were all probably screaming the same things last president you didn't like.

As a matter of fact, no. I've accepted all previous presidents and respected them, republican or democrat.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by LiberalNation

Well I've only been following the news for three but I can look at history and it looks just as bad. You were all probably screaming the same things last president you didn't like.

Wow, I didn't know you read a history book! Why didn't you tell me? That sure trumps real world experience all to hell now doesn't it? Can you ever forgive me?

[LiberalNation]

It certainly as credible as history coming from a person with your level of bias.

[Laughing Gas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Wow, I didn't know you read a history book! Why didn't you tell me? That sure trumps real world experience all to hell now doesn't it? Can you ever forgive me?

She's a self-admitted troll, my friend. Don't waste your time.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Laughing Gas

She's a self-admitted troll, my friend. Don't waste your time.

"All of us in some way are trying to kill time. When it's all said and done, time ends up killing us."

Jack Fate

[Laughing Gas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

"All of us in some way are trying to kill time. When it's all said and done, time ends up killing us."

Jack Fate

Point taken.

Carry on, sir.

[LiberalNation]

Originally Posted by Laughing Gas

She's a self-admitted troll, my friend. Don't waste your time.

You really need to remind Ninja of that more often.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Laughing Gas

Point taken.

Carry on, sir.

Hell, I didn't even have a point. I just thought that was a cool quote from Bob Dylan's "Masked and Anonymous"

[Laughing Gas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Hell, I didn't even have a point. I just thought that was a cool quote from Bob Dylan's "Masked and Anonymous"

I thought the point was that we are all wasting time by posting on this message board, anyway....so wasting time talking to LN was par for the course.

But, I could have just read into it a little too much.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Laughing Gas

I thought the point was that we are all wasting time by posting on this message board, anyway....so wasting time talking to LN was par for the course.

But, I could have just read into it a little too much.

No, you got it right LG. This message board is a waste of time. Why do we do it? It reminds me of that old joke, y'know, the, this... this guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, "Doc, uh, my brother's crazy; he thinks he's a chicken." And, uh, the doctor says, "Well, why don't you turn him in?" The guy says, "I would, but I need the eggs." Well, I guess that's pretty much now how I feel about this forum; y'know, it's totally irrational, and crazy, and absurd, and... but, uh, I guess we keep goin' through it because, uh, most of us... need the eggs."

Plagerized from Woody Allen's "Annie Hall"

[jo56]

Originally Posted by LiberalNation

There is war on terror, they may be trying to secure some oil at the same time but all them islamic terrorist guys that hate and want to kill us are real. No oil in Afghanistan but we are fighting there.

Bush is so arrogant, and stubborn, and his behavior so odd at times , it's scary. We seem to have a brat in office who has issues with his father, and is playing this fractured relationship out in public.

He is so sure he is right, so never questions himself. We all sit here watching the results of his decisions and just shake our heads like, OH MY GOD HE DIDN'T REALLY DO THAT DID HE? He has got to be the worst "decider" I've ever seen. OH MY!

We invaded Iraq under false pretenses, and this was planned from day one whether or not they found WMD (which they didn't I NOTE). That was just the ploy, until the truth came out.

As far as all these terrorists, sure some have always hated us, but BUSH has inspired many more by his actions. We don't know how to behave in other countries. We go into other countries and push them around, take their land, build our military bases, take their oil and other resources, continually place sanctions on their people which creates even worse poverty than already existed, and we wonder why they hate us?

Wouldn't you be mad if another country came into ours and did the same things as we do to others? I sure would be.

Oh , and remember Bush thinks he was sent by GOD. That statement alone makes me shudder. That is what crazy people say who suffer delusions. He is nothing close to God, as revealed by his behavior.

As far as Afghanistan goes. That is the country that many countries (including the US) have coveted for many decades. To get the oil in the northern areas above Afghanistan, you must build a pipeline through Afghanistan to get it out to the sea. At least this is the best route, says the US. The Caspian Sea area is rich in oil, gas, etc. One of the largest left.

The US was negotiating with the Taliban just a few months before 911, and those talks broke off, unsuccessful once again. Some think that the US in those talks threatened the Taliban, which made them strike on 911. This is one theory, and from the book i'm reading, it's very probable. They said these talks were very risky.

The book is "Forbidden Truth" by Jean-Charles Brisard. I just finished it, and talk about "connecting the dots" this one does. You will be amazed at what you find in this book.

Let's just say the BUSH and CHENEY White House have all kinds of incentive to get the Taliban to negotiate and get the pipeline they and others have wanted for a decade or more.

It's about OIL folks. That is the bottomline here even though they use all kinds of excuses otherwise.

Also, I ask Why has bin Laden not been caught? The Bushes and Saudis are close friends, that's the short answer. If he was such a dangerous guy and was so threatening why when they had many chances to get him, did they not?

Clinton tried, but was unsuccessful, but in BUSHES first 8mths in office all he did was ignore intelligence reports, stopped investigations, looked the other way and did nothing until AFTER 911. Now how brave is that? It's a joke people. The joke is on US though unfortunately.

You really should read that book. You will be as mad as hell when you do. It's a tangled web of deceit between the US and the Saudis basically.

[jo56]

As far as qualifications for jobs (that someone brought up), Bush wasn't qualified for his, so of course he wouldn't think that any experience would be necessary on any other job.

Just look at "Great job, Brownie" and see how qualified he was to handle FEMA during Karina. You see, Bush has appointed others with even less experience in other positions.

Some people take POWER toooooo far.

[potter]

Anyone who thinks Bush is looking out for the American people, just remember this:

Bush, for example, said he’d disregard a requirement that the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency must have at least five years experience and “demonstrated ability in and knowledge of emergency management and homeland security.”
His rationale was that it “rules out a large portion of those persons best qualified by experience and knowledge to fill the office.”


Putting cronies in high positions as political favors just kills people. Look at Katrina.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by potter

Putting cronies in high positions as political favors just kills people. Look at Katrina.

Only if something important happens on their watch.