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Old 27th August 2008, 03:41 PM
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We have become a nation of sound bites and emotionalism. It got bush elected in '04 and now it might get obama elected.
It's been that way since long before Bush, Jr. or Sr...
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The UK is no different either.
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lGrow up! McCain obviously has to ask his staff for directions to his other homes whenever he needs to visit them. How could any middle class American vote for this man who's obviously so RICH in finances that he doesn't know how many houses he owns while his wife and daughter reportedly spends over $500 thousand dollars/month shopping? Most middle class folk can tell you how much money they don't have! They're the people you see everyday at work worrying about their kids sporting event that they're going to miss. DOES MCCAIN CARE? Does McCain care more than Obama that these peoples pay raises aren't keeping up with the cost of living in America? We need true thinkers in the voting booths in November voting for Obama! Not emotional rollercoasters voting their bigotry!
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Old 27th August 2008, 03:57 PM
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Plus threesons mccain hates puppies.....
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True, but IMO we seem to be getting worse and worse as the mass media and instant gratification generation takes over
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lGrow up! McCain obviously has to ask his staff for directions to his other homes whenever he needs to visit them. How could any middle class American vote for this man who's obviously so RICH in finances that he doesn't know how many houses he owns while his wife and daughter reportedly spends over $500 thousand dollars/month shopping? Most middle class folk can tell you how much money they don't have! They're the people you see everyday at work worrying about their kids sporting event that they're going to miss. DOES MCCAIN CARE? Does McCain care more than Obama that these peoples pay raises aren't keeping up with the cost of living in America? We need true thinkers in the voting booths in November voting for Obama! Not emotional rollercoasters voting their bigotry!

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True, but IMO we seem to be getting worse and worse as the mass media and instant gratification generation takes over
A couple of points...

1... Bush/Cheney took us all on an emotional roller coaster ride for the last almost eight years, beginning with the 2000 election... They utilized fearmongering to whittle away at the Constitution from right to privacy to legalizing torture to declaring the Vice Presidency a 4th branch of government... and more.

2... My decision to vote for Obama .. really was not greatly influenced by Michelle Obama's speech then. No First Lady or candidates wife, however, has ever given the speeches she has or EVER expected to EXPLAIN themselves, their lives and their accomplishments as Michelle Obama has. Why... ? Michelle Obama has been accused ot everything from hating America to being a terrorist.

So great is the rights hatred of her, on some forums she is being villified, laughed at and with the use of pictures being compared to RuPaul. When has any Presidential candidates wife ever been disrespected in this way?

My decision to vote for Obama is far more complex that what his wife has to say. Though she carries herself very well, the buck will stop with him.
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When has any Presidential candidates wife ever been disrespected in this way?
When it was Cindy McCain, by her husband.
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1... Bush/Cheney took us all on an emotional roller coaster ride for the last almost eight years, beginning with the 2000 election... They utilized fearmongering to whittle away at the Constitution from right to privacy to legalizing torture to declaring the Vice Presidency a 4th branch of government... and more.
Ah, got it, they did it so we can do it. Great.

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2... My decision to vote for Obama .. really was not greatly influenced by Michelle Obama's speech then. No First Lady or candidates wife, however, has ever given the speeches she has or EVER expected to EXPLAIN themselves, their lives and their accomplishments as Michelle Obama has. Why... ? Michelle Obama has been accused ot everything from hating America to being a terrorist.
Spare us. Many first ladies have had such treatment. She isn't the first and won't be the last.

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So great is the rights hatred of her, on some forums she is being villified, laughed at and with the use of pictures being compared to RuPaul. When has any Presidential candidates wife ever been disrespected in this way?
And the left loved Nancy Reagan, right.

Spare us your faux indignation and hypocrisy.

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My decision to vote for Obama is far more complex that what his wife has to say. Though she carries herself very well, the buck will stop with him.
Good for you. But as exemplified by this thread some are supposedly going to vote for him because of her.
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Good for you. But as exemplified by this thread some are supposedly going to vote for him because of her.
I don't think anyone here is all that undecided, maybe Justin, but it would take more than one speech to sway him over. But yes, there are folks out there, teetering on the edge where this was just the thing to put them over, the final straw so to speak.

As to the emotionalism, a fair amount of that can be forgiven (I hope, for my sake), because after all, this IS a political convention. Firing up the base isn't a cerebral exercise, never has been.

Normally, I enjoy a stirring speech, but am little swayed by it. But here it's part of the job they're applying for, makes it potent indeed.

Finally, I disagree that her speech was without substance. What Sue said about it was right on, and I think that's substance of a very important nature.
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Finally, I disagree that her speech was without substance.
Great, then please do quote her where she told us what specifically and HOW obam is going to do.
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Great, then please do quote her where she told us what specifically and HOW obam is going to do.
You're asking for apples from an orange tree. This is substantial and germaine to the race:

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Michelle Obama was fantastic. Her story is exactly the kind of story millions of little girls, boys and struggling parents need to hear. It says that there are millions of people who aren't born with silver spoon in their mouths or who, in spite of bad grades, bad behavior, can get into the Naval Academy if their father is an Admiral.

It says if you work hard, try to do the right thing for yourselves, family and community, study and strive to achieve positive goals you can be far more productive and successful.

Michelle Obama and Barack Obama represent two people who followed the rules, did all the right things... and no they are no perfect.. but they tried to overcome a number of obstacles and did pretty damn good.
I think Michelle's speech told that story very well and she will be a fantastic First Lady.
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No, I am asking for substance.

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This is substantial and germaine to the race:
No, it's more fluff and emotionalism.

That might convince you and sue, but not me.
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No, I am asking for substance.
Then watch on Thursday night and for the next 60 days El...it was not Michelle Obamas job to explain his platform..it was her job to introduce them as a family and where their roots come from..and she nailed it...She did what she was supposed to do..and last night Hillary did her job too..Biden and Bubba will also do their job as well...Then Thursday, it'll be time for Barack to start explaining how things are going to get done..
We've got some time..though I think Father time McCain is gonna have a bitch of a time picking a winning running mate..if he picks Mittens..they are totally screwed..




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No, you're not. When has the potential First Lady ever been responsible for laying out the party's platform at it's nominating convention? Never, that's not their role, largely because theirs is not an elected position.
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Sure I am, that's what's upsetting you. You have none to offer.

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Nice strawman. too bad it is based on your own creation and nothing I ever said.

Then again, I understand, you like fluff and have nothing more to offer.
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Nice strawman. too bad it is based on your own creation and nothing I ever said.

Then again, I understand, you like fluff and have nothing more to offer.
Huh? You asked for quotes of the substance in Michelle's speech. Did that and pointed out to you that the type of "substance" you are looking for isn't going to come from a potential First Lady, nor should it.

That's where the expecting apples from an orange tree comment came from.
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Huh? You asked for quotes of the substance in Michelle's speech.
Indeed I did.

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and pointed out to you that the type of "substance" you are looking for isn't going to come from a potential First Lady, nor should it.
Beating that strawman some more are you.

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That's where the expecting apples from an orange tree comment came from.
Right, a creation on your behalf based on nothing I said. That much is clear.
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