Does Anyone Actually Believe That the EX-Mayor of a 10,000 Pop. City can be President

[bunkum]

Originally Posted by Zan de Man

I was the one who said he was qualified because he was an American. You seem to think that was devoid of content. I didn't elaborate because I didn't feel the need to say more. I said the rest in my quadrennial rant thread. The winner in this contest is going to be the "leader of the free world". I've never been comfortable with that, and, since Bush, I would withdraw my consent if I had the franchise.

If I have to be one of the led but unenfranchised, I'll accept a leader who has limited experience but who shows every sign of being exceptional, both intellectually and in his ability to generate enthusiasm among the led. The fact that he isn't an extremist is also a plus.

However, like most of my unenfranchised brethren, I will be led most unwillingly by a man who puts an extremist in a position to succeed him if he dies in office. Sarah Palin's experience is neither more nor less relevant than Obama's, but it isn't clear to me that she is any brighter than me and her ideology frightens me. Freed from McCain, her ideal America would be one where little girls raped by their fathers would be forced to bear the child; where funding for single mothers would be cut back; where creationism would be taught as science; where the interests of the big oil companies would have primacy over the protection of an environment in which humans can live.

Justin, you'll have to learn the difference between succinct and content-free.

*wild applause*

[Underhill]

Originally Posted by Black Lance

Then how do you conclude that Palin is insufficient in the areas of "character and intelligence"?

I haven't.

There are two sides to this. There is qualified and there are issues. I don't doubt she's qualified. But her opinions on the issues are obviously far right.

Where I get pissed is when they (you) try to claim she is more qualified than Obama. 2 yrs as governor of a small state is certainly not better qualified than Obama.

[Underhill]

Originally Posted by clownboy

Maybe could have something to do with the fact she's not told one word of truth since she statred campaigning. Every single tick point has proven to be a distortion or a outright lie. Maybe because she doesn't walk her talk, personally or politically.

Then there is that.

[Justin]

Yeah, but you only woke up for 2 of those 8 years. You blindly, in an Oedipus (not the classic) fashion, followed Bush for 6 years, supporting nearly everything he did. I don't care that you couldn't vote, your voice supported Bush's and lots and lots of people read it. Sorry, but I count YOU as one of those to blame. I don't blame Bush, I blame his supporters.

Bitter much, Ninja? There are always goingto be people who disagree with you...you shouldn't take it personally.

You should just be happy that I've come to the light side now...so that my apparently widely-read and religiously followed comments on P&CA can be a force for good in the world.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Zan de Man

I was the one who said he was qualified because he was an American. You seem to think that was devoid of content. I didn't elaborate because I didn't feel the need to say more. I said the rest in my quadrennial rant thread. The winner in this contest is going to be the "leader of the free world". I've never been comfortable with that, and, since Bush, I would withdraw my consent if I had the franchise.

If I have to be one of the led but unenfranchised, I'll accept a leader who has limited experience but who shows every sign of being exceptional, both intellectually and in his ability to generate enthusiasm among the led. The fact that he isn't an extremist is also a plus.

However, like most of my unenfranchised brethren, I will be led most unwillingly by a man who puts an extremist in a position to succeed him if he dies in office. Sarah Palin's experience is neither more nor less relevant than Obama's, but it isn't clear to me that she is any brighter than me and her ideology frightens me. Freed from McCain, her ideal America would be one where little girls raped by their fathers would be forced to bear the child; where funding for single mothers would be cut back; where creationism would be taught as science; where the interests of the big oil companies would have primacy over the protection of an environment in which humans can live.

Justin, you'll have to learn the difference between succinct and content-free.

You have every right to that opinion Zan...I just wish you would have said it earlier.

[Fredfredson]

Believe it or not I would have LESS of a problem with a Palin McCain ticket than a McCain Palin one. The reason is simply that a Vice President actually needs to be better qualified in many respects than the President himself.

The last 8 years are an example of that. Cheney despite his flaws was a major power in this administration and without him, his networks, contacts and experience, Dubya would have been run off in disgrace a long time ago.

F


P.S. The other advantage of having Palin as the presidential candidate would be the ability of the American people to actually vote on HER ideals and principles. Instead she can hold fairly extreme views but not really be challenged on them because "afterall she is only a VP candidate".

[Zan de Man]

Why did I need to Justin?

[bunkum]

Originally Posted by Fredfredson

Believe it or not I would have LESS of a problem with a Palin McCain ticket than a McCain Palin one. The reason is simply that a Vice President actually needs to be better qualified in many respects than the President himself.

The last 8 years are an example of that. Cheney despite his flaws was a major power in this administration and without him, his networks, contacts and experience, Dubya would have been run off in disgrace a long time ago.

without cheney there wouldn't have *been* a dubya administration.

who'd ya think was running the show all this time? the fella who thinks misunderestimate is a word? who has to ask permission to pee? i don't think so...

[Justin]

Because instead of coming off as your usual thoughtful, intelligent, and well-reasoned self, you came across as a smart-allick.

[Zan de Man]

You mean like the way you come across as an overpromoted school prefect in the way you've taken to addressing other posters?

I stated my views very clearly in the quadrennial rant thread. I know you read it, so why don't you take the broom handle out of your ass and join the rest of us imperfect human beings?

[Justin]

the way you've taken to addressing other posters?

What way is that?

[potter]

Originally Posted by Fredfredson

Believe it or not I would have LESS of a problem with a Palin McCain ticket than a McCain Palin one. The reason is simply that a Vice President actually needs to be better qualified in many respects than the President himself.

The last 8 years are an example of that. Cheney despite his flaws was a major power in this administration and without him, his networks, contacts and experience, Dubya would have been run off in disgrace a long time ago.

F


P.S. The other advantage of having Palin as the presidential candidate would be the ability of the American people to actually vote on HER ideals and principles. Instead she can hold fairly extreme views but not really be challenged on them because "afterall she is only a VP candidate".

Good thought.....

[Zan de Man]

Smug would be the best adjective. In fact, it could be your watchword. Still, at least your previous post was a welcome break from your usual passive/aggressive, butter wouldn't melt in my mouth, schtick.

[Justin]

Smug would be the best adjective. In fact, it could be your watchword. Still, at least your previous post was a welcome break from your usual passive/aggressive, butter wouldn't melt in my mouth, schtick.

You always know just what to say, muffin.

[Zan de Man]

Muffin?



You just crease me up Justin.

[potter]

What humility?

[Black Lance]

Originally Posted by Uplifter

I think this is a disgrace to any person serving in the military.
You are suggeting that no soldier can have a mind of their own and should just blindly follow orders, just like lemmings.

You suggest that Kerry (someone who actually served in the military, and fought) would have less of an idea about military action, than a jumped up little rich boy who did everything he could to get out of fighting???

Kerry was entitled to express his opinion about the war after he got out of the service. He could protest, call the war a disgrace, ect. He was not, however, free to insult those who were still wearing the uniform and still in harms way.

I'm not sure how to explain this concept to a civilian, but a fundamental aspect of the military is trust: it is impressed on military personnel, from basic training on, that the only way military operations can succeed is if everybody covers for each other. When John Kerry testified before Congress that American soldiers were behaving like a Mongol horde, he betrayed that trust, dishonored himself and in my personal opinion destroyed any credibility he had to be a leader of our armed forces.

[Zan de Man]

Still fighting the last war BL?

[Black Lance]

Originally Posted by Zan de Man

Still fighting the last war BL?

No Zan, I was not even alive to serve in Vietnam. I was asked why I ultimately did not vote for Kerry, and the above is why.

[Bonniedundee]

Kerry was entitled to express his opinion about the war after he got out of the service. He could protest, call the war a disgrace, ect. He was not, however, free to insult those who were still wearing the uniform and still in harms way.

I'm not sure how to explain this concept to a civilian, but a fundamental aspect of the military is trust: it is impressed on military personnel, from basic training on, that the only way military operations can succeed is if everybody covers for each other. When John Kerry testified before Congress that American soldiers were behaving like a Mongol horde, he betrayed that trust, dishonored himself and in my personal opinion destroyed any credibility he had to be a leader of our armed forces.

It is silly attudes like that that kept the Wermacht going for so long when many senior staff extremely disliked the regime.