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Old 6th September 2008, 02:58 AM
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Folks, I have been thinking about this subject quite a bit, remembering the 1 week that My Wife and I stayed in Wasilla while on vacation in Alaska.

Wasilla is a small City about 30 miles north of Anchorage and has a population of around 10,000. It is predominantly a Rural City and to drive around town one sees more PU trucks with Gun Racks in the back window that any other type of vehicle.

Mrs Palin until year before last was a two term mayor of Wasilla. She left that job to run for Governor and got the job and flew back and forth to Juneau.

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Population, Income per family, etc. http://www.city-data.com/city/Wasilla-Alaska.html

After looking at this does anyone honestly believe that Mrs. Palin would be able to become President of our Country should McCain get elected and have another heart attack?

I don't !!!
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I don't know, but I heard this guy was OK.

"Before his election as President, Lincoln was a lawyer, an Illinois state legislator, a member of the United States House of Representatives, and an unsuccessful candidate for election to the Senate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln

But then if you're a lawyer, an Illinois state legislator, and then a Senator instead of a Congressman, well that's another story.
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I don't know, but I heard this guy was OK.
But then again he did try and write slavery into the constitution.

Bad omen?
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But then again he did try and write slavery into the constitution.
Really? I didn't know that!

I guess us "Yanks" as you call us are taught a different version of history than ya'll from "over the pond".
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You need to check your facts BD. Slavery was already IN the Constitution from the beginning. Slaves were counted as 3/5ths a "human".

The only other analogous person to Palin was Harry Truman

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Party: Democrat
Term: Jan 20, 1945 - Apr 12, 1945
Age at Inauguration: 52
Life Span: May 8, 1884 - Nov 18, 1965 [77]
President:Franklin Roosevelt

Harry Truman did not want to be vice president, and didn't serve that long as eighty-three days into the term Franklin Roosevelt died Presidential Death in Office

Truman was the last vice president who did not attend college

He had hoped to make a living as a piano player but opened a haberdashery with a fellow army buddy that went bust

Truman refused to declare bankruptcy and worked his entire life to pay the debts from the business

While in the senate he was in charge of overseeing the war effort and saved the country an estimated 15 billion dollars

Truman copied John Nance Garner's habit of poker and booze from his senate office

It was during one of these "sessions" that he was summoned to the White House upon the death of FDR President Harry Truman
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If we're going to base it on former occupations and she's not a Governor then I guess we have to decide if a community organizer can be President.

I don't!
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If we're going to base it on former occupations and she's not a Governor then I guess we have to decide if a community organizer can be President.

I don't!
Way to adopt those new talking points like a pro.
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Sarah Palin probably isn't experienced enough to be President right now. All of the arguments that she "commanded the Alaska national guard" and that somehow qualifies for her foreign policy experience is baloney.

It is a risk to the country for somebody with so little experience to be only a seventy year old heartbeat away from the presidency.

Still, Obama and Palin aren't particularly different...and the double standard among Obama supporters is so glaring that it's hard to believe you guys are able to pretend like it isn't there.

I've seen it written on here...that experience isn't really all that important for a president, that he can lead motivationally is much more important (this in a discussion about Obama, obviously). I've got news for you guys: Palin is also a very good public speaker. Her words are inspiring (even the liberal "pundits" have admitted so, even though they disagree with her political positions).

There was thread on here a couple of weeks ago asking what exactly qualified Obama to be president? If I'm remembering right, the responses with content were few and far between. A number of them, again IIRC, were smart-ass replies about how he was born in America and how he was over 35 years old, etc...

Obama may have a slight edge in the experience category...but it isn't something he should base his campaign on. Newsflash guys: he's running for PRESIDENT, not Vice President. If you're going to argue that a VP should have more experience, you might want to take a look at the top of your own ticket and re-evaluate.
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I am one of those people who said experience isn't all that important. And I have yet to complain about her inexperience except to point out she is less experienced than Obama.

The experience question all depends on what you count. Obama has a long history of public service and doing things to help the community. Palins experience is shorter but it could be argued her time as Mayor is more aplicable to the presidency. I find it hard to believe since we are talking about a tiny town in Alaska but whatever.

The biggest reason I dislike her is she is an extremist. On virtually every issue she is on the extreme right of the republican party which is exactly what we don't need right now.
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The biggest reason I dislike her is she is an extremist. On virtually every issue she is on the extreme right of the republican party which is exactly what we don't need right now.
You know what scares me more than that? The fact that Democrats are probably going to have at least a semi-large majority in Congress after November. A single party running everything is not a good idea. It wasn't a good idea when Republicans did it, and it isn't a good idea this this time around.
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You know what scares me more than that? The fact that Democrats are probably going to have at least a semi-large majority in Congress after November. A single party running everything is not a good idea. It wasn't a good idea when Republicans did it, and it isn't a good idea this this time around.
I'm sure you wont agree but it doesn't bother me. We need a major correction to get this country back on track and nothing but the left having control will have any hope. And it's not like the right will stop with their tactics of fillibustering. So anything too controversial will need a good sized majority.
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And it's not like the right will stop with their tactics of fillibustering.
A filibuster-proof majority isn't out of the question after this election.
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Possible but unlikely.

But if it happens you have nobody to blame but Bush and his cronies.
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Bush, his cronies, the Republicans in Congress that ruined the party name by lacking anything similar to fiscal restraint, refusing to stand up to keep the President from usurping Congressional authority, drastically growing the size and power of the government bureacracy, especially when it comes to education, shipping the American manufacturing base overseas, not securing America's southern border, doing nothing about the energy crisis as it grew and grew (and grew and grew and grew)...

The Republicans of the last eight years have completely forgotten their principles, the people they represent, and the well-being of the country as a whole.

And even with all of that, a filibuster-proof Senate controlled by Democrats, along with a semi-socialist Democrat for president scares the living daylights out of me.
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And even with all of that, a filibuster-proof Senate controlled by Democrats, along with a semi-socialist Democrat for president scares the living daylights out of me.
I can understand that. After seeing what Bush has done it makes me nervous as well. But there has to be change, serious change, and the only way that can happen is with a democratic majority.

I'm just hopeful that Obama can do what needs to be done rather than what will be politically expediant, as virtually every politician with any promise has done for the last 30 yrs.
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Way to adopt those new talking points like a pro.
I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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There was thread on here a couple of weeks ago asking what exactly qualified Obama to be president? If I'm remembering right, the responses with content were few and far between.
The only qualification you need is the ability to get elected. That goes for most any public office. McCain, Palin, Obama, Biden, it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other who wins.
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If we're going to base it on former occupations and she's not a Governor then I guess we have to decide if a community organizer can be President.
Ok, if it's going to be based on former occupations then the comparison is Constitutional Law Professor/Community Organizer vs. Sportscaster.
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If we're going to base it on former occupations and she's not a Governor then I guess we have to decide if a community organizer can be President.

I don't!
Yeah, yeah. Do you just not know Obama's background, or are you just repeating the lies Palin spreads. Right out of Harvard Barack was a community organizer. But AFTER that he taught constitutional law. He was a constitutional law scholar of some repute. FOR YEARS.

And btw, some of those communities he worked with, they were larger population-wise than her entire state.

She's supposed to be headed to be the President of the Senate - betcha dollars to donuts she doesn't have clue one as to the Rules Of Order. She's supposed to know how to introduce legislation and work with the Senate closely. That's how the President's proposals get to the enact stage. Again, not clue one.

I suspect this is why governors that run at the top of the ticket usually choose someone from the congress to run in the second slot.
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Ok, if it's going to be based on former occupations then the comparison is Constitutional Law Professor/Community Organizer vs. Sportscaster.
Please get it right! SMALL TOWN SPORTSCASTER is her correct title...
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