Could Trig Palin Actually be Sarah Palin's Grandson???

[contracycle]

Time for some devils advocate, I think we could do with a bit of horse holding here. While the behaviour is described might well be unusual, I don't think we're necessarily in case proven territory yet. Someone who has gone through the experience as many times as she has may well know her own body and how it reacts well enough to make a judgement that would seem strange to others.

This article from April says she noticed the fluid but was experiencing only "minor" contractions, and consulted with her doctor. Some people DO have smooth and easy births in which everything goes according to plan, and if she has such experiences in the past then maybe it was not as unreasonable a decision as it appears. Similarly, risking the trip to a local hospital rather than one you do not know may be the kind of mildly-irrational-but-understandable decision that many people make in the real world. In addition it appears, in another article (see below), that she was back at work the day after her previous child was born. Maybe Palin is just one of those lucky people for whom the whole thing is no big deal? Some of the criticisms border on demanding she follow a maternal stereotype, but that is not reality.


Yes, I'd agree, the whole saga is suspicious, and this article from March demonstrates the extent to which even here peers were surprised. But the elder daughter certainly does not look particularly pregnant in the photo above. Indeed, maybe it is a factor that precisely because Palin finds childbirth so easy and trouble free that she sees abortion as beyond the pale?

What are we going to do, anyway, demand a paternity test? Can such a demand realistically be made, if she sticks to her story?

And lastly, I see nothing wrong in giving children novel names, that's far more interesting than the usual roll call of Biblical characters, and I do not see how this is indicative of poor judgement, more power to her elbow in that respect.

The whole thing may well be suspicious - and indeed much of the story is a bit too good to be true. But its not impossible and totally implausible either.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by contracycle

Time for some devils advocate, I think we could do with a bit of horse holding here. While the behaviour is described might well be unusual, I don't think we're necessarily in case proven territory yet. Someone who has gone through the experience as many times as she has may well know her own body and how it reacts well enough to make a judgement that would seem strange to others.

This article from April says she noticed the fluid but was experiencing only "minor" contractions, and consulted with her doctor. Some people DO have smooth and easy births in which everything goes according to plan, and if she has such experiences in the past then maybe it was not as unreasonable a decision as it appears. Similarly, risking the trip to a local hospital rather than one you do not know may be the kind of mildly-irrational-but-understandable decision that many people make in the real world. In addition it appears, in another article (see below), that she was back at work the day after her previous child was born. Maybe Palin is just one of those lucky people for whom the whole thing is no big deal? Some of the criticisms border on demanding she follow a maternal stereotype, but that is not reality.


Yes, I'd agree, the whole saga is suspicious, and this article from March demonstrates the extent to which even here peers were surprised. But the elder daughter certainly does not look particularly pregnant in the photo above. Indeed, maybe it is a factor that precisely because Palin finds childbirth so easy and trouble free that she sees abortion as beyond the pale?

What are we going to do, anyway, demand a paternity test? Can such a demand realistically be made, if she sticks to her story?

And lastly, I see nothing wrong in giving children novel names, that's far more interesting than the usual roll call of Biblical characters, and I do not see how this is indicative of poor judgement, more power to her elbow in that respect.

The whole thing may well be suspicious - and indeed much of the story is a bit too good to be true. But its not impossible and totally implausible either.

You put it so much better than I do.

[Justin]

Very good post, Contra.

[Tom Joad]

By the way, when is that Michele Obama "Whitey" tape that the right swore on a stack of bibles exists going to come out?

[mammalicious]

Originally Posted by ninjalooter1701

No, but maybe I missed something...

Ok, she's gotten criticism that she's abandoning her newborn. But if she was pretending it was hers, possibly to shield her daughter from criticism for having a daughter, and now that is "hitting the fan" because she "lied," then I have to ask, I might have missed the detail, was the daughter unmarried? I might have missed it.

Now if she's "abandoning the newborn" because it's her daughter's, not hers, that sheds more light on the issue.

What did I miss? In all sincerity.

Yes the daughters' unmarried...and 17. Add to that that Palin is anti sex-ed and birth control in schools, and the irony alone is worth the price of admission.

My opinion is that the baby is Bristols...and the reason that it took until month 7 to announce the happy news is that private adoption was planned. However when genetic testing came back revealing down's syndrome, the adoption fell through, and then plan 'b' had to go into effect, and quickly. That is why the baby was delivered in a small town hospita near where Palin was mayor, and where she could control things. She felt that she had plenty of time to do her speech and travel back, cause FIRST labors take time, and she remained in contact with the OB.

At 44, Palin is in a higher risk category for pregnancy...add to that the baby was shown to have DS in utero...and was arriving one month prematurely (if it was indeed Palins')...AND it was her FIFTH child. Women get bigger with each pregnancy...not smaller, and labor is quicker with each pregnancy....not longer. For an OB to advise getting on a plane (there were many unknowns in this pregnancy, this wasn't a typical pregnancy for Palin)for a 12 hour trip and then a 45 minute car ride, borders on malpractice.

[Gilles de Rais]

Alas, one thing that does sabotage that beautiful story is that, as Contra pointed out, the daughter doesn't look particularly pregnant in those pics either. I mean, usually, by month 3 or 4, you can tell...

[mammalicious]

Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

Alas, one thing that does sabotage that beautiful story is that, as Contra pointed out, the daughter doesn't look particularly pregnant in those pics either. I mean, usually, by month 3 or 4, you can tell...

Actually, she does....the ''bump'' is not typical of teenage chubbiness...which would go around into the 'lovehandles'..it is all in front. There is no evidence of weight gain anywhere else...arms, face...

In the first pic, you can see how the jersey-type shirt fits...with the material folds on the front (indicating room)...in the second, the same type of shirt...but it is stretched tight across the abdomen. Granted, that isn't solid proof of anything....but that her abdomen is bigger in the more current of the two pictures. Palins' abdomen, however, shows LESS change in size, and is less consistent with a later term pregnancy than the picture of her daughter. (I'm going by the pic of her in the gov's house at the top, where she was supposed to be 7 months pregnant with an almost 6 pound baby. (Trig was born only at most a month after that, prematurely, at over 6 pounds).

[Neko]

I doubt a paternity test would help here. Too many people made up their minds as soon as they heard the rumour, and they'd just accuse the family of getting the hospital to fake it if the results didn't confirm their opinions. The best thing the Palins can do is STFU and wait for it to blow over.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by mammalicious

Actually, she does....the ''bump'' is not typical of teenage chubbiness...which would go around into the 'lovehandles'..it is all in front. There is no evidence of weight gain anywhere else...arms, face...

I can't tell if it's really there, or whether it's just the way she's holding her hands. Most people look a bit pregnant if they stand that way, after all.

[Gilles de Rais]

Originally Posted by Neko

I doubt a paternity test would help here. Too many people made up their minds as soon as they heard the rumour, and they'd just accuse the family of getting the hospital to fake it if the results didn't confirm their opinions. The best thing the Palins can do is STFU and wait for it to blow over.

They could do the test in Canada... or France

... but i don't disagree. If this is to be convincingly resolved, it's going to be by probing the timelines given for Palin and her daughter until something cracks meaningfully, something that cannot be rationalised or explained. If nothing un-deniable shows up, most (me included) will let go and assume that the initial story was likely wrong.

I do like Mammalicious remark about the private adoption thingy. I think it makes sense. It might not be correct but it's a good theory. I still don't think that this type of (slight) fat or belly fat is unusual on women so, imo, the pic remains pretty much in the "not-damning" camp. Palin's own picture "at 7 months", on the other hand...

[mammalicious]

Originally Posted by Neko

I can't tell if it's really there, or whether it's just the way she's holding her hands. Most people look a bit pregnant if they stand that way, after all.

How does the way one holds their hands change the way a shirt fits? And there are pictures of Palin standing with her hands the same way...without the same result. It may be coinscidence...but there are a lot of them in this story.

[Fredfredson]

As much as I would like there to be a real scandal here I don't actually think that these people would be quite that stupid.

I tend to agree with the flowchart presented above.

That shows serious lack of judgment on the part of the VP candidate. This is not the person I feel comfortable with being a heartbeat away from "having their finger on the button".

F

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by SCREAM

Question here about this concerning motive... Why would she fake all of this? Why fake the leaking of the amniotic fluid???

How does this help her cover up her daughter's pregnancy? It just seems so over the top.

Misdirection. Over-the-top, poorly conceived (excuse me) attempt to use drama to deflect attention from daughter.

If the pictures are accurate as labeled and undoctored, it looks bad. But that's a very significant if.

If hard evidence of this 'babygate' thing comes out, Palin will be fired as Veep candidate, but McCain will be finished anyway. But, ABSENT such evidence, assuming Palin stonewalls, this just burbles along as an internet rumor, and it's effect on the election will really depend on what the mainstream media does. If they mostly ignore it, it won't matter. If they pooh-pooh it, the effect will be small. If they play with the 'speculation' as possibly true, it will be very damaging.

[Tom Joad]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/...Ym8dcTB9as0NUE

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant By Steve Holland
3 minutes ago

ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.


Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.

"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.

"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.

The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.

MCCAIN KNEW

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.

McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.

According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.

A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said.

[suedanim]

I've been scouring over this for over a day now... have more pics too. Nothing absolutely conclusive.

DNA tests unnecessary most likely, though since amnio was done, parental DNA would be easy to obtain most likely. You can be SURE there are all sorts of people sifting through every nook and cranny on this and any other subject Palin in AK and out.

There HAVE to be verifiable witnesses to Palin's pregnancy and delivery. There has to be a hospital record and birth certificate. Sure... birth certificates can be forged, but somebody saw that birth, cleaned and cared for that infant right after birth. Medical records on Palin is where the proof is going to be found. The truth will likely come out

btw... there IS a wedding ring on Bristol finger.. Zoom it... You'll see

[Dave]

Off track a bit.

Lot's of people are asking the same thing.

On this search in google: palin grandson

We have had several hundred visits to this thread as a result of where this thread ranks in google.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...palin+grandson

[ninjalooter1701]

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband

So, she perpetuated the 5 children lie, and if she really only has 4 children, this would be Bristol's second?

Am I reading this right?

[Neko]

Win.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by suedanim

The truth will likely come out

So, she perpetuated the 5 children lie, and if she really only has 4 children, this would be Bristol's second?

Jesus. You guys just don't give up do you? *walks off shaking head*

[Neko]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said.

Slimey toerag.