Obama Debut... Foot in Mouth

[clownboy]

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

He was stupid enough to insult a former first lady... a very old woman.... especially on something that is left wing propaganda myth.

Nancy wasn't offended, and you obviously haven't read Reagan's memoirs, it's no myth. He and Nancy regularly consulted astrologers. But they weren't alone in that, our earliest presidents did the same thing.

[Bennett]

By and large it was a good opening salvo, but the tendency is to get to fixated on one or two slip ups. Better to focus on the content which was his pretty substantive approach towards domestic policy. If I were a US citizen watching this I'd be sighing with relief...

[Bennett]

What is revealing is that he likes to micro-manage everything. The headline that is coming out about this conference is that he considers getting a pet dog a 'major issue'. A joke... to an extent, but some think him to be a chronic control freak.

[Don Barzini]

Originally Posted by clownboy

Nancy wasn't offended, and you obviously haven't read Reagan's memoirs, it's no myth. He and Nancy regularly consulted astrologers. But they weren't alone in that, our earliest presidents did the same thing.

It is a myth.

Holding seances is not the same as consulting an astrologer.

[Don Barzini]

Originally Posted by Bennett

What is revealing is that he likes to micro-manage everything. The headline that is coming out about this conference is that he considers getting a pet dog a 'major issue'. A joke... to an extent, but some think him to be a chronic control freak.

You know what is a joke....

That sign with "The Office of the President Elect".

[Bonniedundee]

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

The main difference is that the neophyte President-Elect was dumb enough to make the gaffe.

There is no doubt that many more gaffes are coming down the road for this dilettante..... so you better get used to it.

We are used to it:

[Underhill]

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

Barack Obama gave his first official press conference today as the 'President Elect' and what does he do?..... He makes a classless attack on the wife of a deceased, beloved Republican president.

So much for the so-called "post partisanship" that was promised.

Maybe it was an example of the complete cluelessness and lack of class exhibited by most people on the left. Regardless, it certainly wasn't behavior befitting a man who is going to occupy the White House. He should have known better. He certainly should have been more mature to know better. But he isn't.

His first outing and he shows he is a partisan hack and a neophyte without his teleprompter.

So much for "unity" and "bipartisanship." He put his foot in his mouth right out of the gate and had to actually make a call to apologize because of his ignorance and classlessness.

His first press conference and right out of the box he has to apologize for being an idiot.

Not a good harbinger of anything to come..... Certainly not for any "post partisanship".

Wow, he made a funny comment. How rude.

[freespirit]

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

Holding seances is not the same as consulting an astrologer.

Not strictly speaking, no. You are being obtuse, however. You are perfectly aware that most folks consider the 2 things equally flaky.

I understand how desperate you feel. I felt the same way in '04. Just hang on for the ride, and fight for things that matter. You'll wear yourself out in no time if you keep this up.

[clownboy]

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

It is a myth.

Holding seances is not the same as consulting an astrologer.

No, it's not the same, but if you were politically aware at the time you'd know that her consultation with astrologists was, conflated with all things occult, including seances and psychics. This was all over the press at the time.

I remember because all the "psychic network" (my Mom was into that stuff then) was abuzz that the occultists of the age had a friend in the White House.

It's become obvious that, from a hopefully small circle of folks, there will be no grace period given, there will be no open-minded examination of what he accomplishes for us. There's just gonna be long years of ankle biting and reading the worst into every action, every word. Barack could bring a golden age for America, and you yahoos would be complaining that gold was too shiny.

[Carico]

So much for the so-called "post partisanship" that was promised.

It won't be long before Obama shows his true nature. Someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth can't keep that up for long.

[clownboy]

Originally Posted by Carico

It won't be long before Obama shows his true nature. Someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth can't keep that up for long.

Case in point. You've got a tough eight years ahead of you.

[Don Barzini]

Originally Posted by clownboy

No, it's not the same, but if you were politically aware at the time you'd know that her consultation with astrologists was, conflated with all things occult, including seances and psychics. This was all over the press at the time.[/qb]

You admit it is not the same..... Then you go on in a ridiculous spin trying to make it the same.

It doesn't matter what some people may "conflate" with astrology. it doesn't make it the truth regardless of any of your spin.

Obama's comment was indicative of the fact that this guy is full of himself and feels he can insult past presidents (of the other party of course).

Not a good sign his first showing out of the box. It's also not a good sign of his talk of being "post partisan".

Picking the rabid Democrat left wing partisan and hate monger, Rahm Emanuel, as Chief of Staff also proves that Obama was a complete liar about being "post partisan".

It's become obvious that, from a hopefully small circle of folks, there will be no grace period given, there will be no open-minded examination of what he accomplishes for us. There's just gonna be long years of ankle biting and reading the worst into every action, every word. Barack could bring a golden age for America, and you yahoos would be complaining that gold was too shiny.

Are you wondering if the right will show the same "respect" to Obama that the left has shown to President Bush?

The left has acted completely disgraceful. Now, somehow you expect "respect" for the most radical leftist guy to ever be elected president in this country's history.

Talk about being a hypocrite.

[Carico]

Originally Posted by clownboy

Case in point. You've got a tough eight years ahead of you.

Not really because I'm one of the few who knows what we're in for. Obama doesn't fool me for a minute.

[Don Barzini]

Originally Posted by Carico

Not really because I'm one of the few who knows what we're in for. Obama doesn't fool me for a minute.

I agree with you there.

With Obama and the Democrats controlling Congress..... between their global warming fraud and all their other anti-business legislation that is likely coming down the road..... along with the expansion of the welfare state...... most Americans will be happy to see Obama gone in four years when all they have left in their pockets is "change".

[clownboy]

Okay Don, I get it, you weren't aware enough at that time to have known what was in every paper, and virtually every discussion around the watercooler for months. Fine.

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

Are you wondering if the right will show the same "respect" to Obama that the left has shown to President Bush?

The left has acted completely disgraceful. Now, somehow you expect "respect" for the most radical leftist guy to ever be elected president in this country's history.

Talk about being a hypocrite.

So, after all these years of saying the right was better (I was there saying it with you), more mature, less whiney, not prone to conspiracy, more honest - you're now saying that because the left did it, it's okay for you now too? No my friend, THAT's hypocracy.

And yes, I DO expect respect for the President of the United States. Just like I did for LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. And any conservative that doesn't feel the same is NOT a conservative. We believe in respecting the POTUS.

[Don Barzini]

Originally Posted by clownboy

Okay Don, I get it, you weren't aware enough at that time to have known what was in every paper, and virtually every discussion around the watercooler for months. Fine.

There were no seances in the Reagan White House.

Yeah, I know you are an older guy, but your claim is false nonetheless.

I guess back in the days when you were supposed to be around the watercooler, we can consider those days as your "phony conservative days".

So, after all these years of saying the right was better (I was there saying it with you), more mature, less whiney, not prone to conspiracy, more honest - you're now saying that because the left did it, it's okay for you now too? No my friend, THAT's hypocracy.

And yes, I DO expect respect for the President of the United States. Just like I did for LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush.

You are a phony. You were a phony conservative then turned around and became a leftist and joined in on the same despicable behavior the left was doing. You are a hypocrite.

Now for some reason you think the right should not criticize Obama? WTF?

If he needs to be criticized, he will be criticized. It won't be done in the same despicable fashion the left has done to the current president, but he will be criticized.

It's called free speech. Maybe dissent is now a one way street with you now that you are a leftist. Maybe you... like some others... for some reason believe he should be protected from dissent because he is the first black president. That sounds very un-American. If he wants the top job, he has to be able to take any criticism that comes his way.

Obama is good at passing out the criticism and attacks. He damn better be good enough to be on the receiving end of attacks. Otherwise he is unworthy of the job.

If not... his weakness is greater than what many suspect.

I don't think the right will be as despicable as the left has been. But for you to be demanding "respect" when none has been shown from your newly found comrades, is despicable in itself... and very hypocritical.

[clownboy]

You are more than welcome to call yourself whatever you wish, just as you are free to inhabit the same bog as those you used to look down upon.

It's laughable that you would even go there with the free speech/dissent argument. How many times have you (or I) been rankled over just such a response from a liberal. Is that what conservatism means to you, blind criticism of everything remotely considered "left" or liberal?

Look man, the guy's butt hasn't even hit the chair yet and you're already nitpicking about a reference that you're too young and way to partisan to understand.

Oh, and btw, the seances, the real rumor there regarded Hillary Clinton.

[Don Barzini]

Originally Posted by clownboy

You are more than welcome to call yourself whatever you wish, just as you are free to inhabit the same bog as those you used to look down upon.

It's laughable that you would even go there with the free speech/dissent argument. How many times have you (or I) been rankled over just such a response from a liberal. Is that what conservatism means to you, blind criticism of everything remotely considered "left" or liberal?

Look man, the guy's butt hasn't even hit the chair yet and you're already nitpicking about a reference that you're too young and way to partisan to understand.

Oh, and btw, the seances, the real rumor there regarded Hillary Clinton.

I'm aware of Hillary Clinton and the rumors of her trying to channel ... or whatever... Eleanor Roosevelt.

That is not what is being discussed here. We are discussing Obama giving credence to a slime the left used to paint against Nancy Reagan.

Obama is too much of a partisan to attack Hillary, a member of his own party. That is what we are talking about here.

Your attempts at spinning the issue around are really pathetic Clownboy.

I also have never denied the left their criticism. I just questioned their complete lunatic and conspiracy minded type criticisms. Criticism is to be expected. It is something that should be expected in a free society.

It seems you Obamunists for some reason expect people to respect him when none was ever shown on your side. None whatsoever. That is extremely hypocritical.

Obama will be criticized. The right will not act like the left has done these past eight years. The left has long ago lost any sense of rationality. At least most of the moonbat left here on the internet. The remarks and conspiracy type crap from the left is indicative of why psychotropic drug prescriptions and sales are at an all time high.

But, he will be criticized. He needs criticism. He is screwing up already with these partisan comments and the lies regarding Poland and it is only days away from his election.

You Obama people worship this guy almost like a religious figure. That is also not good for the political process or the country.

It's actually very creepy.

It's certainly not going to be good going down the road. He's just a politician. He is not the "messiah". He is not the "black messiah". He's just a low life Saul Alinsky style socialist that conned his way to the presidency.

It would be better for your mental health to have low expectations because that is what you are going to get with this guy. Obama people are too emotionally invested for the sole reason because he is black. He is just another politician touting already previously failed policies. For some reason you "religious worshipers" of him do not see that.

[Bonniedundee]

Originally Posted by Don Barzini

I'm aware of Hillary Clinton and the rumors of her trying to channel ... or whatever... Eleanor Roosevelt.

That is not what is being discussed here. We are discussing Obama giving credence to a slime the left used to paint against Nancy Reagan.

Obama is too much of a partisan to attack Hillary, a member of his own party. That is what we are talking about here.

Your attempts at spinning the issue around are really pathetic Clownboy.

I also have never denied the left their criticism. I just questioned their complete lunatic and conspiracy minded type criticisms. Criticism is to be expected. It is something that should be expected in a free society.

It seems you Obamunists for some reason expect people to respect him when none was ever shown on your side. None whatsoever. That is extremely hypocritical.

Obama will be criticized. The right will not act like the left has done these past eight years. The left has long ago lost any sense of rationality. At least most of the moonbat left here on the internet. The remarks and conspiracy type crap from the left is indicative of why psychotropic drug prescriptions and sales are at an all time high.

But, he will be criticized. He needs criticism. He is screwing up already with these partisan comments and the lies regarding Poland and it is only days away from his election.

You Obama people worship this guy almost like a religious figure. That is also not good for the political process or the country.

It's actually very creepy.

It's certainly not going to be good going down the road. He's just a politician. He is not the "messiah". He is not the "black messiah". He's just a low life Saul Alinsky style socialist that conned his way to the presidency.

It would be better for your mental health to have low expectations because that is what you are going to get with this guy. Obama people are too emotionally invested for the sole reason because he is black. He is just another politician touting already previously failed policies. For some reason you "religious worshipers" of him do not see that.

Do you have no sense of irony?

[sarmajor]

No wonder the US is in such deep deep shit.

The Pro Obama and the Anti Obama forces are already in full flight without him even sitting in the chair with any policies on the table.

If you want to climb out of the shit it is not only behoven that Obama governs in the interests of all Americans but also that all Americans need to support Obama.

You all know that 'House divided" quote.

Nitpicking and remaining on your own side of the political fence will not help and neither will the cherished hope of many (if it should come to pass) that Obama will fail be of any comfort to red or blue (or those who do not like either colour) America.

If there ever was a time when Americans need to pull together - this is it.