Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

[Lucas]

Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist - Iraq | War | Map - FOXNews.com

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.

Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

Neal Puckett, an attorney representing McCabe, told Fox News the SEALs are being charged for allegedly giving the detainee a “punch in the gut.”

“I don’t know how they’re going to bring this detainee to the United States and give us our constitutional right to confrontation in the courtroom,” Puckett said. “But again, we have terrorists getting their constitutional rights in New York City, but I suspect that they’re going to deny these SEALs their right to confrontation in a military courtroom in Virginia.”

The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.

FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.

The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.

"I gave the detainee a glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health."

Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.

United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.

The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that "Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been tracking this guy for some time."

The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over Iraq.

The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.

Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.

The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment.

Too funny. If this is at all true, this is Fox News after all, it could all be made up, right?

[Zan de Man]

Well, in order to work up my usual outrage on this subject, I have to forget that the population of Fallujah welcomed the US until the 82nd Airborne Division shot a crowd of demonstrators, including children. I also have to forget that the company that employed the "security guards" in question made a habit of shooting Iraqi civilians who transgressed in blatant ways such as driving their cars in front of Blackwater patrols, and, finally, that the entire city was shot up as a punishment for the gratuitous murders of the "consultants".

I'm doing my best. Honestly.

[Lucas]

What is the significance of that as it relates to SEALs getting charged for punching a guy?

[biblethumper]

Originally Posted by Zan de Man

Well, in order to work up my usual outrage on this subject, I have to forget that the population of Fallujah welcomed the US until the 82nd Airborne Division shot a crowd of demonstrators, including children. I also have to forget that the company that employed the "security guards" in question made a habit of shooting Iraqi civilians who transgressed in blatant ways such as driving their cars in front of Blackwater patrols, and, finally, that the entire city was shot up as a punishment for the gratuitous murders of the "consultants".

I'm doing my best. Honestly.

Oh yes I am sure they shot children on purpose, your an idiot.

[biblethumper]

This is the same thread I started under "What the" no wonder he won't read my threads he is riding my coat tails, this is not funny, it is tragic that these men who hold the security of our nation in their hands could be tried for this, typical left wing attack on the military.

[knightlancer]

Originally Posted by biblethumper

your an idiot.

Class!

Is the rule that the badder a baddie is, the more you're permitted to beat him up during arrest?

[Lucas]

The rule is that there are no rules, because the military doesn't arrest people (aside from MPs arresting other military), they capture, grab, detain, snatch, etc. Otherwise they can do whatever the fuck they want, shy of killing him after he's been disarmed and handcuffed/ziptied. They don't read Miranda rights; they're not cops.

[knightlancer]

Originally Posted by Lucas

The rule is that there are no rules, because the military doesn't arrest people (aside from MPs arresting other military), they capture, grab, detain, snatch, etc. Otherwise they can do whatever the fuck they want, shy of killing him after he's been disarmed and handcuffed/ziptied.

You may jest, but the problem is that they actually believe that.

[Lucas]

That's not a jest. That's actually the ROE. You can use force to detain a prisoner and it's never been challenged previously. Some of these guys might get a slap on the wrist for lying about it, but the actual 'abuse'? Highly doubt that's gonna shake out the way the 'victim' would like.

[Zan de Man]

Good argument for not letting them in in the first place.

[biblethumper]

Originally Posted by knightlancer

You may jest, but the problem is that they actually believe that.

I would have put a bullet in his head, he is the enemy, reason for soldiers, kill the enemy, oh by the way this guy didn't just black the eyes of the people killed he blackened their whole body, as in charbroiled.

[biblethumper]

Originally Posted by Zan de Man

Good argument for not letting them in in the first place.

not letting who in

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Originally Posted by biblethumper

I would have put a bullet in his head, he is the enemy, reason for soldiers, kill the enemy, oh by the way this guy didn't just black the eyes of the people killed he blackened their whole body, as in charbroiled.

How many Iraqis would Jesus shoot in the head, Thumper?

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Originally Posted by Lucas

The rule is that there are no rules, because the military doesn't arrest people (aside from MPs arresting other military), they capture, grab, detain, snatch, etc. Otherwise they can do whatever the fuck they want, shy of killing him after he's been disarmed and handcuffed/ziptied. They don't read Miranda rights; they're not cops.

The military doesn't arrest people?
Then what are POWs?

Why are there military run detention centers?
What the fuck was Abu Ghraib?

Oh, and the words capture and detain imply what is commonly known as arrest.

As for the Blackwater FUCKS who were killed, was that before or after they had drunken gay orgies on station at the Embassy?

Blackwater needs to be shut down and their funding rescinded.
If ACORN can have their funding pulled over IMAGINARY prostitution, then Blackwater should have theirs pulled for REAL murders and Halliburton/KBR should have theirs pulled for REAL rape of women!

KBR's Rape Problem

Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder

Blackwater in Court Today in War Crimes Hearing | CommonDreams.org

Blackwater Crimes in Iraq Video

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Spyder Jerusalem

How many Iraqis would Jesus shoot in the head, Thumper?

According to just war theory, any and all of them that aided Al Qaeda.

This article illustrates the insanity thats resulting from the messiah administrations insistence that terrorists be treated like civilian criminals. Somebody punched a terrorist, oh no the horror, quick call the ACLU!

[Spyder Jerusalem]

According to just war theory, any and all of them that aided Al Qaeda.

Bullshit!
First, there's no such fuckin thing as a "just war".
There is only justified war.
And, that justification can NEVER be reconciled with the christer philosophy.

Second, and this is a kicker, the christers fuckin Jesus said it best:

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42, NIV

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV

Seems as if, by those words, that ANY christer who justifies killing another is NOT a christer, but is a fuckin fraud.

As usual, christofucks are liars and hypocrites

[Spyder Jerusalem]

I also that that you didn't fuckin address the issue of Blackwater's crimes, nor KBRs?

These fucks need ta be shut down and "detained", and if they resist they can be shot with some exploding rounds like Blackwater has been smugglin to Iraq along with illegal AK-47s

Seems like these shit-fer-brains woulda rememebred that their hero Reagan nearly got brought down for illegal weapon sales, gunrunning, and profiting from makin deals with sanctioned nations.

Prince needs to be Abu Ghraibed

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by Spyder Jerusalem

The military doesn't arrest people?
Then what are POWs?

Captured enemies.

Why are there military run detention centers?
What the fuck was Abu Ghraib?

A prison for captured enemies.

Oh, and the words capture and detain imply what is commonly known as arrest.

No, not really. I can go out and capture a rat. I can't arrest it, I have no authority to. I can capture Iraqis in Iraq, but I can't arrest them because I'm not a cop.

As for the Blackwater FUCKS who were killed, was that before or after they had drunken gay orgies on station at the Embassy?

Don't know. Does it matter? Do you not like gays or something? Who cares?

Blackwater needs to be shut down and their funding rescinded.

It's Xe now. I guess when the service they provide isn't needed, that'll happen.

If ACORN can have their funding pulled over IMAGINARY prostitution, then Blackwater should have theirs pulled for REAL murders and Halliburton/KBR should have theirs pulled for REAL rape of women!

I heard a McDonald's employee once killed someone, maybe we should shut down McDonald's too. I wonder if a Microsoft employee ever raped anyone?

Anyway, did you want to talk about how dumb it is to accuse a military service member of using excessive force in capturing a target or no?

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Captured enemies.

Those in abu ghraib, and gitmo, are "detained".
Detention means arrest.

No, not really. I can go out and capture a rat. I can't arrest it

Thats because animals are captured and people are arrested.
Semantics.

Or are you callin those who were detained (arrested) and imprisoned (without charges and for an indefinite period, both illegal), animals?

I can't arrest them because I'm not a cop.

Citizen's arrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't know. Does it matter? Do you not like gays or something? Who cares?

I care that our tax money is bein used to fund drunken orgies!
Don't you?

You seem to care a lot about other ways our taxes are spent, why not this one?
Do you at least support an independent investigation of "XE" for these "indiscretions"?
Seems as if you slight one organisation for mispent funds, but not another.
You have a lot to say about one organization verbally supporting criminal action and not committing it (ACORN) but not another that definitely has committed crimes (XE and illegal arms).

Hypocrisy....its what Lucas eats for dinner!

I heard a McDonald's employee once killed someone

Didi Mcdonalds cover it up?
Bribe officials to bury it?
Pull strings to have it ignored?

Then its not really the same is it?

Anyway, did you want to talk about how dumb it is to accuse a military service member of using excessive force in capturing a target or no?

No, I wanted to discuss how smart it is that we make military service memebers justify their actions, and how smart it is that we have judicial oversight over those who work for us whether politician or soldier.

How about how dumb it is for you to be informed of crimes committed by our armed forces over there and not want to investigate even the slightest insinuation that may tarnish the image of the US Military.
If they have nothin to hide, they have nothin to fear, after all.
Right?
If what they did was truly "just", then there should be no problem.

Obviosly there are those who think otherwise, and they have cause for doin so.

We The People can't take anythin for granted as far as these fucks are concerned.



Oh, and we should be makin the commanding officer of these fucktards pay the price for their subordinates actions.
Price of rank, bub.

Why wasn't the commanding officer at Abu Ghraib punished as badly as Lindy England?
Aren't commanding officers responsible for those in their command?

[Dawildman]

There is no "Al Qaeda" in Iraq. There's just a large group of people who hate Americans. Can ya blame them?