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seventeen, read-it-and-weep, SEVENTEEN mentions of growth.

oh yes, theres big trumpeting about all this wonderful tight new regulation. tight and new it may be, but i guarantee to you that the hedge funds and invesement bankers have been working since 3.30pm yesterday afternoon to find the loopholes and avoidances, and they won't stop till they're full exploiting them. and there *will* be loopholes and avoidances to exploit. so what really changes?

congratulations world, your leaders have agreed to change not a darn thing, and to charge you an AWFUL lot of money for the privilege of enjoying their continuing privilege.

here, then, is the full text. it might as well read "We, the Leaders of the Group of Twenty, will use every cent we don't possess to rescue corporate capitalism from its contradictions and set the world economy back onto the path of unsustainable growth. We have already spent trillions of dollars of your money on bailing out the banks, so that they can be returned to their proper functions of fleecing the poor and wrecking the Earth's living systems. Now we're going to spend another $1.1 trillion. As an exemplary punishment for their long record of promoting crises, we will give the IMF and the World Bank even more of your money. These actions constitute the greatest mobilisation of resources to support global financial flows in modern times.Oh - and we nearly forgot. We must do something about the environment. We don't have any definite plans as yet, but we'll think of something in due course." (thanks mister monbiot, and oh, by the way. phwoar)

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1. We, the leaders of the Group of Twenty, met in London on 2 April 2009.

2. We face the greatest challenge to the world economy in modern times; a crisis which has deepened since we last met, which affects the lives of women, men, and children in every country, and which all countries must join together to resolve. A global crisis requires a global solution.

3. We start from the belief that prosperity is indivisible; that growth, to be sustained, has to be shared; and that our global plan for recovery must have at its heart the needs and jobs of hard-working families, not just in developed countries but in emerging markets and the poorest countries of the world too; and must reflect the interests, not just of today's population, but of future generations too. We believe that the only sure foundation for sustainable globalisation and rising prosperity for all is an open world economy based on market principles, effective regulation, and strong global institutions.

4. We have today therefore pledged to do whatever is necessary to: restore confidence, growth, and jobs; repair the financial system to restore lending; strengthen financial regulation to rebuild trust; fund and reform our international financial institutions to overcome this crisis and prevent future ones; promote global trade and investment and reject protectionism, to underpin prosperity; and build an inclusive, green, and sustainable recovery.
By acting together to fulfil these pledges we will bring the world economy out of recession and prevent a crisis like this from recurring in the future.

5. The agreements we have reached today, to treble resources available to the IMF to $750bn, to support a new SDR allocation of $250bn, to support at least $100bn of additional lending by the MDBs, to ensure $250bn of support for trade finance, and to use the additional resources from agreed IMF gold sales for concessional finance for the poorest countries, constitute an additional $1.1 trillion programme of support to restore credit, growth and jobs in the world economy. Together with the measures we have each taken nationally, this constitutes a global plan for recovery on an unprecedented scale, restoring growth and jobs

6. We are undertaking an unprecedented and concerted fiscal expansion, which will save or create millions of jobs which would otherwise have been destroyed, and that will, by the end of next year, amount to $5tn, raise output by 4%, and accelerate the transition to a green economy. We are committed to deliver the scale of sustained fiscal effort necessary to restore growth.

7. Our central banks have also taken exceptional action. Interest rates have been cut aggressively in most countries, and our central banks have pledged to maintain expansionary policies for as long as needed and to use the full range of monetary policy instruments, including unconventional instruments, consistent with price stability.

8. Our actions to restore growth cannot be effective until we restore domestic lending and international capital flows. We have provided significant and comprehensive support to our banking systems to provide liquidity, recapitalise financial institutions, and address decisively the problem of impaired assets. We are committed to take all necessary actions to restore the normal flow of credit through the financial system and ensure the soundness of systemically important institutions, implementing our policies in line with the agreed G20 framework for restoring lending and repairing the financial sector.

9. Taken together, these actions will constitute the largest fiscal and monetary stimulus and the most comprehensive support programme for the financial sector in modern times. Acting together strengthens the impact and the exceptional policy actions announced so far must be implemented without delay. Today, we have further agreed over $1tn of additional resources for the world economy through our international financial institutions and trade finance.

10. Last month the IMF estimated that world growth in real terms would resume and rise to over 2% by the end of 2010. We are confident that the actions we have agreed today, and our unshakeable commitment to work together to restore growth and jobs, while preserving long-term fiscal sustainability, will accelerate the return to trend growth. We commit today to taking whatever action is necessary to secure that outcome, and we call on the IMF to assess regularly the actions taken and the global actions required.

11. We are resolved to ensure long-term fiscal sustainability and price stability and will put in place credible exit strategies from the measures that need to be taken now to support the financial sector and restore global demand. We are convinced that by implementing our agreed policies we will limit the longer-term costs to our economies, thereby reducing the scale of the fiscal consolidation necessary over the longer term.

12. We will conduct all our economic policies cooperatively and responsibly with regard to the impact on other countries and will refrain from competitive devaluation of our currencies and promote a stable and well-functioning international monetary system. We will support, now and in the future, to candid, even-handed, and independent IMF surveillance of our economies and financial sectors, of the impact of our policies on others, and of risks facing the global economy, strengthening financial supervision and regulation

13. Major failures in the financial sector and in financial regulation and supervision were fundamental causes of the crisis. Confidence will not be restored until we rebuild trust in our financial system. We will take action to build a stronger, more globally consistent, supervisory and regulatory framework for the future financial sector, which will support sustainable global growth and serve the needs of business and citizens.

14. We each agree to ensure our domestic regulatory systems are strong. But we also agree to establish the much greater consistency and systematic cooperation between countries, and the framework of internationally agreed high standards, that a global financial system requires. Strengthened regulation and supervision must promote propriety, integrity and transparency; guard against risk across the financial system; dampen rather than amplify the financial and economic cycle; reduce reliance on inappropriately risky sources of financing; and discourage excessive risk-taking. Regulators and supervisors must protect consumers and investors, support market discipline, avoid adverse impacts on other countries, reduce the scope for regulatory arbitrage, support competition and dynamism, and keep pace with innovation in the marketplace.

15. To this end we are implementing the Action Plan agreed at our last meeting, as set out in the attached progress report. We have today also issued a Declaration, Strengthening the Financial System. In particular we agree: to establish a new Financial Stability Board (FSB) with a strengthened mandate, as a successor to the Financial Stability Forum (FSF), including all G20 countries, FSF members, Spain, and the European Commission; that the FSB should collaborate with the IMF to provide early warning of macroeconomic and financial risks and the actions needed to address them; to reshape our regulatory systems so that our authorities are able to identify and take account of macro-prudential risks; to extend regulation and oversight to all systemically important financial institutions, instruments and markets.

This will include, for the first time, systemically important hedge funds; to endorse and implement the FSF's tough new principles on pay and compensation and to support sustainable compensation schemes and the corporate social responsibility of all firms; to take action, once recovery is assured, to improve the quality, quantity, and international consistency of capital in the banking system. In future, regulation must prevent excessive leverage and require buffers of resources to be built up in good times; to take action against non-cooperative jurisdictions, including tax havens. We stand ready to deploy sanctions to protect our public finances and financial systems.

The era of banking secrecy is over. We note that the OECD has today published a list of countries assessed by the Global Forum against the international standard for exchange of tax information; to call on the accounting standard setters to work urgently with supervisors and regulators to improve standards on valuation and provisioning and achieve a single set of high-quality global accounting standards; and to extend regulatory oversight and registration to Credit Rating Agencies to ensure they meet the international code of good practice, particularly to prevent unacceptable conflicts of interest.

16. We instruct our Finance Ministers to complete the implementation of these decisions in line with the timetable set out in the Action Plan. We have asked the FSB and the IMF to monitor progress, working with the Financial Action Taskforce and other relevant bodies, and to provide a report to the next meeting of our Finance Ministers in Scotland in November.
Strengthening our global financial institutions 17.Emerging markets and developing countries, which have been the engine of recent world growth, are also now facing challenges which are adding to the current downturn in the global economy. It is imperative for global confidence and economic recovery that capital continues to flow to them. This will require a substantial strengthening of the international financial institutions, particularly the IMF. We have therefore agreed today to make available an additional $850 billion of resources through the global financial institutions to support growth in emerging market and developing countries by helping to finance counter-cyclical spending, bank recapitalisation, infrastructure, trade finance, balance of payments support, debt rollover, and social support. To this end: we have agreed to increase the resources available to the IMF through immediate financing from members of $250 billion, subsequently incorporated into an expanded and more flexible New Arrangements to Borrow, increased by up to $500 billion, and to consider market borrowing if necessary; and we support a substantial increase in lending of at least $100 billion by the Multilateral Development Banks (MDBs), including to low income countries, and ensure that all MDBs, including have the appropriate capital.

18. It is essential that these resources can be used effectively and flexibly to support growth. We welcome in this respect the progress made by the IMF with its new Flexible Credit Line (FCL) and its reformed lending and conditionality framework which will enable the IMF to ensure that its facilities address effectively the underlying causes of countries' balance of payments financing needs, particularly the withdrawal of external capital flows to the banking and corporate sectors. We support Mexico's decision to seek an FCL arrangement.

19. We have agreed to support a general SDR allocation which will inject $250 billion into the world economy and increase global liquidity, and urgent ratification of the Fourth Amendment.

20. In order for our financial institutions to help manage the crisis and prevent future crises we must strengthen their longer term relevance, effectiveness and legitimacy. So alongside the significant increase in resources agreed today we are determined to reform and modernise the international financial institutions to ensure they can assist members and shareholders effectively in the new challenges they face. We will reform their mandates, scope and governance to reflect changes in the world economy and the new challenges of globalisation, and that emerging and developing economies, including the poorest, must have greater voice and representation. This must be accompanied by action to increase the credibility and accountability of the institutions through better strategic oversight and decision making.

To this end: we commit to implementing the package of IMF quota and voice reforms agreed in April 2008 and call on the IMF to complete the next review of quotas by January 2011; we agree that, alongside this, consideration should be given to greater involvement of the Fund's Governors in providing strategic direction to the IMF and increasing its accountability; we commit to implementing the World Bank reforms agreed in October 2008. We look forward to further recommendations, at the next meetings, on voice and representation reforms on an accelerated timescale, to be agreed by the 2010 Spring Meetings; we agree that the heads and senior leadership of the international financial institutions should be appointed through an open, transparent, and merit-based selection process; and building on the current reviews of the IMF and World Bank we asked the Chairman, working with the G20 Finance Ministers, to consult widely in an inclusive process and report back to the next meeting with proposals for further reforms to improve the responsiveness and adaptability of the IFIs.

21. In addition to reforming our international financial institutions for the new challenges of globalisation we agreed on the desirability of a new global consensus on the key values and principles that will promote sustainable economic activity. We support discussion on such a charter for sustainable economic activity with a view to further discussion at our next meeting. We take note of the work started in other fora in this regard and look forward to further discussion of this charter for sustainable economic activity.
Resisting protectionism and promoting global trade and investment 22.World trade growth has underpinned rising prosperity for half a century. But it is now falling for the first time in 25 years. Falling demand is exacerbated by growing protectionist pressures and a withdrawal of trade credit. Reinvigorating world trade and investment is essential for restoring global growth. We will not repeat the historic mistakes of protectionism of previous eras.

To this end: we reaffirm the commitment made in Washington: to refrain from raising new barriers to investment or to trade in goods and services, imposing new export restrictions, or implementing World Trade Organisation (WTO) inconsistent measures to stimulate exports. In addition we will rectify promptly any such measures. We extend this pledge to the end of 2010; we will minimise any negative impact on trade and investment of our domestic policy actions including fiscal policy and action in support of the financial sector.

We will not retreat into financial protectionism, particularly measures that constrain worldwide capital flows, especially to developing countries; we will notify promptly the WTO of any such measures and we call on the WTO, together with other international bodies, within their respective mandates, to monitor and report publicly on our adherence to these undertakings on a quarterly basis; we will take, at the same time, whatever steps we can to promote and facilitate trade and investment; and we will ensure availability of at least $250 billion over the next two years to support trade finance through our export credit and investment agencies and through the MDBs. We also ask our regulators to make use of available flexibility in capital requirements for trade finance.

23. We remain committed to reaching an ambitious and balanced conclusion to the Doha Development Round, which is urgently needed. This could boost the global economy by at least $150 billion per annum. To achieve this we are committed to building on the progress already made, including with regard to modalities.

24. We will give renewed focus and political attention to this critical issue in the coming period and will use our continuing work and all international meetings that are relevant to drive progress.
Ensuring a fair and sustainable recovery for all

25. We are determined not only to restore growth but to lay the foundation for a fair and sustainable world economy. We recognise that the current crisis has a disproportionate impact on the vulnerable in the poorest countries and recognise our collective responsibility to mitigate the social impact of the crisis to minimise long-lasting damage to global potential. To this end: we reaffirm our historic commitment to meeting the Millennium Development Goals and to achieving our respective ODA pledges, including commitments on Aid for Trade, debt relief, and the Gleneagles commitments, especially to sub-Saharan Africa; the actions and decisions we have taken today will provide $50 billion to support social protection, boost trade and safeguard development in low income countries, as part of the significant increase in crisis support for these and other developing countries and emerging markets; we are making available resources for social protection for the poorest countries, including through investing in long-term food security and through voluntary bilateral contributions to the World Bank's Vulnerability Framework, including the Infrastructure Crisis Facility, and the Rapid Social Response Fund; we have committed, consistent with the new income model, that additional resources from agreed sales of IMF gold will be used, together with surplus income, to provide $6 billion additional concessional and flexible finance for the poorest countries over the next 2 to 3 years. We call on the IMF to come forward with concrete proposals at the Spring Meetings; we have agreed to review the flexibility of the Debt Sustainability Framework and call on the IMF and World Bank to report to the IMFC and Development Committee at the Annual Meetings; and we call on the UN, working with other global institutions, to establish an effective mechanism to monitor the impact of the crisis on the poorest and most vulnerable.

26. We recognise the human dimension to the crisis. We commit to support those affected by the crisis by creating employment opportunities and through income support measures. We will build a fair and family-friendly labour market for both women and men. We therefore welcome the reports of the London Jobs Conference and the Rome Social Summit and the key principles they proposed. We will support employment by stimulating growth, investing in education and training, and through active labour market policies, focusing on the most vulnerable. We call upon the ILO, working with other relevant organisations, to assess the actions taken and those required for the future.

27. We agreed to make the best possible use of investment funded by fiscal stimulus programmes towards the goal of building a resilient, sustainable, and green recovery. We will make the transition towards clean, innovative, resource efficient, low carbon technologies and infrastructure. We encourage the MDBs to contribute fully to the achievement of this objective. We will identify and work together on further measures to build sustainable economies.

28. We reaffirm our commitment to address the threat of irreversible climate change, based on the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities, and to reach agreement at the UN Climate Change conference in Copenhagen in December 2009.

Delivering our commitments 29.We have committed ourselves to work together with urgency and determination to translate these words into action. We agreed to meet again before the end of this year to review progress on our commitments.

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I feel that you're taking an unfair advantage of your position here. You've already said that you don't know what sort of change you want, so how do you know that this isn't it?
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I feel that you're taking an unfair advantage of your position here. You've already said that you don't know what sort of change you want, so how do you know that this isn't it?
no no, i know what sort of change i want, what i don't know is what a system which delivers it will look like.

first and foremost i want to stop the fetishisation of growth. i want an end to this constant expansion at the expense of space - be it physical, geographical, ecological, psychological, emotional, chronological - and more focus instead on the quality of the space we inhabit and how we inhabit it. wealth is a key aspect of that, and i want it to be more evenly distributed, but also for it to inhabit a far lesser status in our imaginations. i want a retraction of advertising and marketing and branding and a renewed focus on product, on quality, on usefulness, on impact to the environment and on longeivity, as opposed to ephermerals. i want sustainability - sustainability in everything, that means in politics too. i'm fed up of these four, five year cycles of responsibility that dump us in it long term. i want some sort of intelligent answer to population control and to solving poverty, both of which are surely not beyond our grasp. i want globalisation at a supranational level, but i want it to retract at a local level. i want to look at ways to foster self sustaining, subsistence proof communities of around 100 to 200 people. i want them to be highly devolved and self determining, but also highly networked at a strategic level. i want to see an end to the nation state and the emergence of a new, global system of governance. and lots lots more i can't think of just now.
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Easy then: Kill all the poors. About 4 billion people. That should do it.

Suddenly, sustainability doesn't look so good, does it?

Oh and in politics, those cycles aren't great but they're the democractic process in action and that's the best we could come up with in 6,000 years...
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no no, i know what sort of change i want, what i don't know is what a system which delivers it will look like.

first and foremost i want to stop the fetishisation of growth. i want an end to this constant expansion at the expense of space - be it physical, geographical, ecological, psychological, emotional, chronological - and more focus instead on the quality of the space we inhabit and how we inhabit it. wealth is a key aspect of that, and i want it to be more evenly distributed, but also for it to inhabit a far lesser status in our imaginations. i want a retraction of advertising and marketing and branding and a renewed focus on product, on quality, on usefulness, on impact to the environment and on longeivity, as opposed to ephermerals. i want sustainability - sustainability in everything, that means in politics too. i'm fed up of these four, five year cycles of responsibility that dump us in it long term. i want some sort of intelligent answer to population control and to solving poverty, both of which are surely not beyond our grasp. i want globalisation at a supranational level, but i want it to retract at a local level. i want to look at ways to foster self sustaining, subsistence proof communities of around 100 to 200 people. i want them to be highly devolved and self determining, but also highly networked at a strategic level. i want to see an end to the nation state and the emergence of a new, global system of governance. and lots lots more i can't think of just now.
I think that a lot of that is probably going to happen whether we want it or not, but that it'll go with humanitarian disasters in the third world, a reduction in civil rights, less democracy and more international instability. Also, that you're unlikely to get a more equitable distribution of wealth, except in the short term, and that advertising can only increase.
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I think that a lot of that is probably going to happen...
Hum. She wants some utopia, you're pronosticating hell and you say that's the same thing??

Oh well, i guess reality really is in how you look at things..
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Hey, I'm from the defense sector. That is my utopia.
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I think that a lot of that is probably going to happen whether we want it or not, but that it'll go with humanitarian disasters in the third world, a reduction in civil rights, less democracy and more international instability. Also, that you're unlikely to get a more equitable distribution of wealth, except in the short term, and that advertising can only increase.
but you're imagining it in the context of our current political, social and economic systems.

i'm imagining it as a *new* system, in and of itself.
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Well okay, what sort of new system?
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thats the bit i don't know
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hey, isn't it refreshing to find someone on P&CA who *doesn't* have all the answers for a change?

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no no, i know what sort of change i want, what i don't know is what a system which delivers it will look like.

first and foremost i want to stop the fetishisation of growth. i want an end to this constant expansion at the expense of space - be it physical, geographical, ecological, psychological, emotional, chronological - and more focus instead on the quality of the space we inhabit and how we inhabit it. wealth is a key aspect of that, and i want it to be more evenly distributed, but also for it to inhabit a far lesser status in our imaginations. i want a retraction of advertising and marketing and branding and a renewed focus on product, on quality, on usefulness, on impact to the environment and on longeivity, as opposed to ephermerals. i want sustainability - sustainability in everything, that means in politics too. i'm fed up of these four, five year cycles of responsibility that dump us in it long term. i want some sort of intelligent answer to population control and to solving poverty, both of which are surely not beyond our grasp. i want globalisation at a supranational level, but i want it to retract at a local level. i want to look at ways to foster self sustaining, subsistence proof communities of around 100 to 200 people. i want them to be highly devolved and self determining, but also highly networked at a strategic level. i want to see an end to the nation state and the emergence of a new, global system of governance. and lots lots more i can't think of just now.

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Dreaming what?

You can have that kind of lifestyle, if you want. Right now. It's just likely to cost you a bundle because, in this overcrowed world, nothing is more expansive than space.

Oh and if you try to spread things out, like London or the USA does, you end up with wasting time commuting and increasing your carbon footprint massively.

So... space or sustainability?
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Dreaming what?

You can have that kind of lifestyle, if you want. Right now. It's just likely to cost you a bundle because, in this overcrowed world, nothing is more expansive than space.

Oh and if you try to spread things out, like London or the USA does, you end up with wasting time commuting and increasing your carbon footprint massively.

So... space or sustainability?

I'm thinking you got kind of the opposite of what I did out of that. I got contraction, less is more and quality not quantity out of that....not expansion
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Yeah, well, less is more and quality, in terms of furniture, to take an example, is called minimalism. You know how much it costs to decorate a place in a minimalist style?

And she did mention space. "... more focus instead on the quality of the space we inhabit and how we inhabit it".
Now, she did also say something about the extansion of physical space being bad but try living in a cramp studio of 20 sq. meters with a wife and a baby, a place where you cannot have both the bed and the dinner/working table extended at once... and come back to me on the 'quality' angle of it.

No. In terms of lodging, space is fundamental to quality. Which is why you got prices given per sq. meters... And that's very costly.

Of course, the US have their solution: Expand outwards. While not all country can do it, you have enough space for that. But, then, it means commute and carbon footprint, as mentioned.
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he path of unsustainable growth. We have already spent trillions of dollars of your money on bailing out the banks, so that they can be returned to their proper functions of fleecing the poor and wrecking the Earth's living systems. Now we're going to spend another $1.1 trillion. As an exemplary punishment for their long record of promoting crises, we will give the IMF and the World Bank even more of your money. These actions constitute the greatest mobilisation of resources to support global financial flows in modern times.

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