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27th June 2010, 03:52 PM
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 Pope deplores 'sex abuse' raids by Belgian police Pope deplores 'sex abuse' raids by Belgian police BBC Page last updated at 13:57 GMT, Sunday, 27 June 2010 14:57 UK  The Pope delivered a message of support for the Archbishop of Brussels Pope Benedict has joined mounting Vatican criticism of raids by Belgian police investigating alleged child sex abuse, calling them "deplorable". In a message to Belgian bishops, the pope expressed his solidarity "in this moment of sadness". Several buildings were searched in raids targeting a retired archbishop and the graves of two prelates. Prosecutors said the action concerned alleged "abuse of minors committed by a certain number of Church figures". Police in Leuven, central Belgium, on Thursday seized nearly 500 files and a computer from the offices of a Church commission investigating allegations of sex abuse. They also searched the Church's headquarters and the Brussels archdiocese in Mechelen, north of the Belgian capital. Belgium's bishops, who were holding a meeting at the time of the raids, were kept incommunicado for nine hours while the searches were conducted. 'Unprecedented treatment' Pope Benedict's criticism of the raids came in a message of support to Brussels Archbishop Andre Joseph Leonard, the head of the Belgian bishops' conference.  An inquiry into church sex abuse in Belgium has been running for years "I want to express, dear brother in the Episcopate, as well as to all the Bishops of Belgium, my closeness and solidarity in this moment of sadness, in which, with certain surprising and deplorable methods, searches were carried out." "I hope that justice will follow its course while guaranteeing the rights of individuals and institutions, respecting the rights of victims, (and) acknowledging those who undertake to collaborate with it," Pope Benedict said. On Saturday Vatican officials compared the raids and investigation into allegations of child sex abuse with the treatment of the Church under communist rule. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican Secretary of State, described the detention of priests "serious and unbelievable". "There are no precedents, not even under the old communist regimes," he said. The Vatican has summoned the Belgian ambassador to the Holy See to voice its anger at the incident. The Catholic Church in Belgium has apologised for its silence on abuse cases in the past. The church was rocked in April when the bishop of Bruges, Roger Vangheluwe, resigned and admitted to sexual abuse before and after becoming a bishop.
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27th June 2010, 03:53 PM
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Nothing has changed in the Catholic Church. From the top down, they're still more outraged about the investigation and reporting of the crimes than they are with the crimes themselves. Isn't it time to remove diplomatic status from the Vatican and stop treating it as a state?
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27th June 2010, 04:20 PM
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Yep today the Vatican, Tomorrow Israel.
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27th June 2010, 04:51 PM
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Get a new tune Catwoman. Do you really believe the Vatican has the same right to be regarded as a sovereign state as Israel?
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27th June 2010, 05:13 PM
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Are you suggesting a Theocracy has not the right to be regarded as a sovereign state?
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27th June 2010, 05:21 PM
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Do you think that's what I'm suggesting?
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27th June 2010, 05:25 PM
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I don't know what you are suggesting that is why i asked the question. So are you going to answer it?
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27th June 2010, 05:28 PM
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No. What I'm saying is that the Vatican is not a country and should not have the status of one. Do you disagree?
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27th June 2010, 05:48 PM
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How do you define a country? by size? by population?
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27th June 2010, 05:58 PM
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The Vatican is an enclave in Rome, with an almost all male population and no native births - official at least- so I wouldn't classify that as a country. Would you?
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27th June 2010, 06:13 PM
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Well countries with low birth rates tend to rely on immigration to maintain the population so you can't say a country is not a country because they low to zero birth rates.
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27th June 2010, 07:10 PM
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27th June 2010, 07:14 PM
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A country is whatever other nations decide to recognize is a country. Sealand?
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27th June 2010, 07:21 PM
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Yes Lucas. I am aware of that. You will notice, however, that I was expressing the opinion that other nations should decide to revoke this recognition.
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27th June 2010, 07:30 PM
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27th June 2010, 07:36 PM
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No. I object to a faith organisation having access to a diplomatic process appropriate to a nation state to make representations to a real nation state about the application of its criminal investigative process to its own nationals because they happen to be members of said faith organisation. That is a clear abuse of the Vatican's status as a nation state.
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27th June 2010, 08:54 PM
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SO why not make Wall Street a country?
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27th June 2010, 09:10 PM
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Why not? Anyone can declare a country, for whatever political reason. Now the question is whether this suites the political aim of anybody else, say washington...
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27th June 2010, 09:55 PM
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The reality is, anyone, any group, can declare themselves a country, but it doesn't matter one whit that they do so if it's not recognised by already recognised countries. The Palestinians have that problem. This Pope is talking out of both sides of his face. Apologising on one day for the horrific crimes of some of the priesthood, then playing the victim when something is done about said crimes. Isn't he supposed to be the last Pope anyway (according to Catholic prophecy)?
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